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identification EEPROM: vendor-defined pages
by Aaron J. Seigo 05 Nov '13

05 Nov '13

hi ... 3rd email in this saga, which asks the question: Should the DIDS spec allow for vendor-defined pages? In the proposed DIDS layout, page IDs above 32767 are reserved. The opens the door for vendor specified pages. A maker may wish to define and add non-standard pages to their DIDS for (at least) one of the two following reasons: * the page definition has been proposed to the standard, but is not yet part of the DIDS spec. this allows a maker/vendor to ship a device with that information without being held up by (or worse: *violating*) the specification. * it may be device implementation specific data, and by allowing the additional pages to be included in the DIDS it allows using a single EEPROM chassis design Benefits include: * allowing re-use of pre-existing chassis PCB layouts without needing to adjust them so as to add additional EEPROMs * prevents inappropriate use of mass storage (do we really want to see more “magic” partitioning, such as magic offset values, for mass storage devices?) * conservation (the ecological argument): if there is space on one EEPROM, why use two? With the proposed paged layout, there is zero technical reason why allowing make/vendor-defined pages would be a bad thing. The DIDS spec has 10s of 1000s of page IDs left to use for standard pages and it comfortably allows for vendor pages without making reading/writing of the DIDS any harder or more complex. There is zero cost to the EOMA68 standards or the DIDS layout by allowing maker/vendor-defined pages. Zero. The only reason provided so far is a desire to control vendors. As a maker/vendor, I find that concept utterly repugnant when there are reliable and sensible technology answers. Specifications should standardize and enable, rather than shackle, adopters. -- Aaron J. Seigo

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[flying squirrel] rev 3 preliminary routing nearly done - HELP NEEDED REVIEWING
by luke.leighton 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

almost there, just need a last schematics review, the plan is to send the PCB off early next week (2-3 days time). I REALLY NEED HELP here. reviewing schematics and so on. this will be the first board i've done, and it's detailed and complex (but not amazingly hard). phil, nginx/apache appears to be out on hands.com so i'm putting a copy of the schematics here: http://lkcl.net/tablet2.pdf l.

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LCD wiring diagram for EOMA done up
by joem 03 Nov '13

03 Nov '13

Hi, LCD wiring diagrams done up in kicad (and pdf): http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#working_lcd The script.fex and guide to how to get it working with Ubuntu 13.04 all there as well. Still waiting on 5" display to turn up to do that as well. When I get the MEB2, I fold it into a case and put the LCD on the lid and make a really smart brick sized brickbook (TM) :D One with 18650 batteries and one without. Hurry up Chris!! I ain't got all day waiting on you for your MEB2!!!! There is a brick I have to make and throw at someone.

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[eoma68] power issues
by luke.leighton 02 Nov '13

02 Nov '13

folks, as you saw a couple months back we have an issue with the EOMA68-A20 CPU Card where [without authorisation] some changes were made to the power distribution by the ODM. i still haven't worked out if those changes were/are a blessing or a curse. a reminder of the issue: they connected the ACIN *directly* to VBUS on the USB-OTG input, removing the usual safety and detection features (a SY6280 plus use of some GPIO) which allow programmable (or AXP209-controlled at least) switching between USB-OTG power and 5V input power. i have this sneaking suspicion that the solution might actually be staring me in the face, so wanted to run it by people, see what they thought. what i *believe* the solution is, is to simply move that USB-OTG/5V detection circuitry (in this case a SY6280 plus use of some GPIO) onto the I/O boards, and to effectively treat the EOMA68 5V power "as if" it was a USB-OTG two-way power system. so rather than have in the spec "you must provide 5V power", change that to "you must imagine that the power circuits are identical to what you'd normally have to do for USB-OTG". which, because wits-tech directly connected the bloody USB-OTG power to the ACIN by fusing the pins together at the AXP209 is actually exactly how it is. the advantage of this change (i say change, it's more like being frog-marched unwillingly towards a solution...) is that if people happen to accidentally plug in the CPU Card into a USB-OTG socket and keep it powered up, then a) the CPU Card will survive unplugging and can transition happily from one chassis to another b) as long as it doesn't draw too much current it would be possible to power a portable device *from* the USB-OTG... or at least charge its battery (if it has one) c) i'm sure there's something else... anyway i *think* it's a blessing - it would just have been nice to have been consulted by the ODM, eh? if anyone's got any other suggestions on how to manage USB-OTG power switching it would be very helpful to hear them: i will put them into the EOMA68 spec as implementation guidelines. l.

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Double checking script.fex for eoma68-a20
by Ryan Mullen 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

Hi, I am booting an eoma68-a20 using the script.fex (converted to script.bin with sunxi-tools' fex2bin) found here: http://rhombus-tech.net/allwinner/a20/boot/script.fex I have run the instructions found on that page under the subtitle "setup boot instructions for booting directly off of sd/mmc" and all seems well. However, my kernel (linux-sunxi 3.4 with some custom config options) tells me this when booting: [ 1.663649] [mmc-msg] sw_mci_init [ 1.667156] [mmc-msg] get mmc1's IO(det) failed [ 1.671684] [mmc-msg] Not using mmc1 due to script.bin parse failure [ 1.678123] [mmc-msg] MMC host used card: 0x9, boot card: 0x0, io_card 8 [ 1.685471] [mmc-msg] sdc0 set round clock 400000, src 24000000 [ 1.691708] [mmc-msg] sdc0 set ios: clk 0Hz bm OD pm OFF vdd 3.3V width 1 timing LEGACY(SDR12) dt B [ 1.702062] [mmc-msg] sdc0 Probe: base:0xf0034000 irq:64 sg_cpu:ffdfb000(4fc00000) ret 0. [ 1.710382] [mmc-msg] sdc3 set round clock 400000, src 24000000 [ 1.716717] [mmc-msg] sdc3 set ios: clk 0Hz bm OD pm OFF vdd 3.3V width 1 timing LEGACY(SDR12) dt B [ 1.726839] [mmc-msg] sdc3 Probe: base:0xf0036000 irq:67 sg_cpu:ffdfa000(4fc01000) ret 0. After I boot an initrd, there are no /dev/mmcblk0 entries in my dev filesystem. However, I can make it appear if I do the following: echo 1 > /proc/driver/sunxi-mmc.3/insert This causes the card to be registered at /dev/mmcblk0 as expected. Digging deeper, it would seem that the script.fex sets the card-detect mode for mmc0 and mmc1 both to 1, which is CARD_DETECT_BY_GPIO. The failure in the kernel log occurs when the script.bin parser tries to read the "sdc_det" key and doesn't get a valid value describing the GPIO it should be using, I assume. mmc3 doesn't have that problem because script.fex sets the card-detect mode to 4, which is manual mode - this requires me to write a 1 to the control node in the procfs as I experienced. Is the script.fex incomplete? What's going on here? Thanks for any help, Ryan

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Interfacing touch screen to EOMA68-A20
by joem 01 Nov '13

01 Nov '13

Hi, I got me 5 pieces of 4.3" touch screens. It should be same as the lcd described here that is already working: http://gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#working_lcd It has something extra - 4 wires for a touch interface - resistive. The signal pins are marked: 37 XR Touch panel XR 38 YD Touch panelYD 39 XL Touch panel XL 40 YU Touch panel YU They were purchased from Aliexpress - (cheaper when I bought it). http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4-3-inch-KD43G18-40NB-A1-KD43G18-A5-4-3-C430… Any ideas which cheapie chips best to use with EOMA68-A20 to get touch screen operational? I assume it has to be I2C and somehow a bit of driver software will run and convert the I2C signals to mouse movements. Any pointers appreciated.

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BOM of Cubietruck?
by Alexey Eromenko 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

SoC Allwinner A20 $8 (I assume only a bit more expensive than last year's A10 at $7) RAM chip $4 per 4 gigabit. (512 MB) x4 = $16. (Dram exchange) Flash 8GB $2 (dram exchange) Gigabit Ethernet PHY $4 (guesstimate based on old data) Intermediate total ($30) Do you happen to know the price of the following: Wifi+BT chip (it seems to have antenna on chip) How much for ports? VGA HDMI TOSLI NK RJ45 2X USB PCB (board itself) headphones audio out MicroSD slot Assembly work $4 ? Cables Package This will give us a very rough gross profit margin of Cubie.

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goodbye LM13700, hello CM108AH
by luke.leighton 29 Oct '13

29 Oct '13

it is with much sadness and regret that for parts in the flying squirrel i say goodbye to the LM13700M, a part with a huge and rich history, having seen its first emergence into the world around 1967 even predating the moon landing. the reason is simple: the bias for the diodes is 3x 0.7 volts and on rails of +/-2.5V it's simply not enough. i'm seeing silence at low volumes... and then huge clipping. i simply don't have time to resolve this. instead unless there's a good reason (e.g. conexant responds to enquiries) i'm going with the CM108AH and keeping the TDA2822 as a speaker amplifier. the reason for choosing the CM108AH: no good reason other than the datasheet contains an example schematic and there were no NDAs required to get hold of that datasheet. l.

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[flying squirrel] schematics review needed
by luke.leighton 29 Oct '13

29 Oct '13

hi folks i'm onto the 3rd revision of the flying squirrel, i need help: a systematic review of the schematic pages, to make sure i haven't missed anything. the schematic is partly copied from other drawings as well as application notes. the CM108AH is to be replaced with a Conexant USB-Audio IC. the pdf's here: http://hands.com/~lkcl/eoma/tablet2.pdf - any comments gratefully received. timescales are short but a careful review is essential. thank you everyone. l.

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car "infotainment" doesn't upgrade....
by luke.leighton 24 Oct '13

24 Oct '13

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/22/2211209/automakers-struggle-with-pa… funny that....

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